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how's it going higher side chatters you

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know the routine I'm drinking a little

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drink smoking a little smoke and getting

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my head right for the journey ahead I'm

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self-medicating people because I reflect

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upon the totality of humanity's many

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mistakes against itself in its own

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environment in exchange for a rigidly

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controlled concoction of convenience and

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servitude and I just have to take the

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edge off but it's a good day to be alive

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guy McPherson is here a listener in the

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subreddit requested guy offering a $100

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bounty for the Money bomb so I delivered

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now it's your move man but also guy is a

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great follow-up to Michael Rupert Mike

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sided guy a few times in our interview

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and I'm a big fan he's been teaching and

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writing about the damage we've done to

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our planet for a long time and I would

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say in this conversation I had the vast

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damage we've done to the planet explain

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to me better than it ever has been and

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it's [\h__\h] shocking guys but I think

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that's the only way we can move on to

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other systems we need to understand the

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extent of our current failure when you

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really lay out the themes that make up

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THC economic slavery the censorship of

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history science and so many other fields

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today's topic included the mind control

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elements of mass media and Hollywood

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leadership and long-standing

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institutions the destruction of our

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health and pharmaceutical companies a

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[\h__\h] up medical system and corporate

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farming that produces what seems more

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like the equivalent of wet socks the

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nutrient-rich fruits and vegetables but

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all these subjects all this damage and

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deceit on this show I point these things

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out not to stir up fear or to drown you

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in negativity I point these things out

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so that when we hear the mantra of the

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machine that were

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Peet's that this is the best system we

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have we recognize that for the [\h__\h]

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it is and it sounds dumber to us every

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day and I want people to understand how

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I want to understand myself how bad it

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is how integrated it is how

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all-encompassing it is so we can know

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that any proposal that comes short of

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halting all the damage done by the

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machine any solution that doesn't reel

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back all the power and all those corrupt

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systems that channel it from humanity

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and the planet itself those solutions

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aren't going to save us say what you

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will about the zeitgeist movement or the

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Venus Project but the solutions we need

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are going to be so radically different

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it's gonna be [\h__\h] scary and it's

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gonna be a gamble and the more

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information we have about the absolute

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worldwide grid of control and

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exploitation the more apparent it

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becomes that this system is beyond being

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tweaked and the closer we collectively

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get to taking that gamble and that's

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what I want I want to see us roll the

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dice on something hopefully the

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conversations we've had on the higher

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side chats move you closer to that

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realization I know today's with guy

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McPherson has made an impact on me

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hopefully you'll feel the same now I do

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want to say guy had a bit of an audio

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issue he took our conversation from a

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study room at the University of

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Arizona's library and the room was a

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little too big an empty which gave us

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some echo that said I sent the file over

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to a listener named Dave who emailed me

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many moons ago and said if I ever had

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some audio that needed cleaning up he

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would happily take a crack at it and I

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think he did a bang-up job so thanks

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Dave Dave actually runs a website called

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looper star where he does several music

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related things and sells some pretty

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slick-looking guitar pedals I don't know

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anything about guitar pedals but I just

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know the guy fixed up this audio in a

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day and sent it back to me and I think

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it's a huge improvement and the file I

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sent him actually had cut off the first

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few minutes of our conversation so

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minute mark guys side of the

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conversation sounds a whole lot clearer

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and that's thanks to Dave it's also just

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part of having a Skype and phone based

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show there's only so much you can do to

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control the quality on the guest send

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and I'm going on and on but it's really

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not even that bad and the content is so

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important that

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often got lost in it without even

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noticing but I just want to give a shout

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out to Dave for the hook-up here's a

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little spot for the Money bomb which is

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sitting at a kind of low eighty-five

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dollars I believe at my last count and

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this next one is episode 100 so I really

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hope we can blow it out of the water for

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the hundredth show and I know we will

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it's been a huge success so far and I

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couldn't be happier so thanks all to you

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who donate that said let's get it going

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and we'll be on the other side with the

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almighty guy McPherson hey people I

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gotta take a second to tell you about

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something we do around here called the

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THC Money bomb what I do is every five

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episodes the total of the donations I've

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gotten in that period of time and half

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keeps me and the show going I take the

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other half my gift that back to a random

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listener so far we're hitting about 500

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each round and I couldn't be happier

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about it

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so consider it thrown in 5 or 10 bucks

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it's cheaper than a hand at the

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blackjack table with better odds and a

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scratch-off ticket plus you know half

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supports the show you like and at the

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very least half will go to a like-minded

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person who could probably use a nice

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surprise in these troubled times when

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you make a donation I can see your email

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address and that's how I pick the winner

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but to keep things kosher you can also

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get in the pool by sending your info on

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a postcard to me Greg Karl would p.o box

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3 like I've snow paid bonus shows and I

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want to keep it that way

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on principle but I'm not a millionaire

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the podcast on the side this is it for

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me and I'm the only one I know is trying

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to help the people out as well that's my

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man so help me help you

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if you want to play along go to the

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higher side chest cough slash donate and

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get in the game dollars bitcoins it's

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all good to me and that's what we call

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folks it doesn't take much insight to

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see that our philosophy of infinite

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growth and expansion is not sustainable

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on a finite planet and if you're like me

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you can feel it in the air that these

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are very troubled times as many

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researchers are starting to feel as

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though we've already passed the point of

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no return there's a lot of noise and

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wishful thinking on the subject but

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today people I'm looking for the facts

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and we got just the man to give them to

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today's guest is guy McPherson who's a

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retired professor of Natural Resources

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ecology and evolutionary biology at the

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University of Arizona and the author of

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several books including going dark and

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walk it away from Empire he's also the

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man behind the blog nature bats last

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fresh off an appearance on conspiracy HQ

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with our friend Rob davon guy is the man

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when it comes to analyzing the damage

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monitoring the ongoing changes that

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result from our self-destructive path

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and I for one can't wait to have my day

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I'm half kidding about the day ruining

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thing obviously no one wants to hear

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negative doom and gloom all day every

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day but unfortunately on this show I

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like to hear the real deal so that

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sometimes puts me in a contradictory

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position but what can you do right yeah

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I'm meeting with a friend tomorrow

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having breakfast with her she was the

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founder of poetry inside out program I

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participated in for several years and

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she used to call me that exact thing

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she'd call me dr. de Bruin her so I had

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back and it was one of those episodes

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where the audience got real vocal with

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me about their thoughts on it most

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didn't want to hear it but there were

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opinions on both sides and my excited

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sure works several times and I've

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enjoyed hearing you speak on some of

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these topics so I'm real happy we could

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do this but of all the topics we cover

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the idea that we've done too much damage

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on the planet at this point to recover

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backlash and I was wondering if do you

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find that in your work that there's a

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bit of a denial or a head in the sand

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syndrome when it comes to some of these

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environmental issues oh yes absolutely

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there's time and again I hear that word

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clever that we cannot and will not do

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anything that will contribute to our own

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demise that we obviously depend upon the

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or at the other extreme we don't even

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need to we don't even need other species

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will engineer engineer our way into and

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out of anything at all yes there's

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there's a tremendous amount of discord

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it's better to get to the truth though I

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mean it is what it is I mean I can't say

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how many any better you know I eat

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things that I know are bad for me we all

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carry cell phones and sit next to Wi-Fi

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routers and there seems to be a lot of

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data accumulating that those aren't very

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safe things to do so I guess I'm just as

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big of a hypocrite in some areas well

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you know Timothy Scott Bennett here

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were born the set of living arrangements

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and in many cases there is little or

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nothing we can do short of moving to a

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cave and sucking the guts out of bugs

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that makes any difference at all so

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we're stuck here we're born into

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captivity yeah we didn't choose when

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we're gonna be born where we're gonna be

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born we're born into this civilization

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we don't have the education on what it

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would take to live a more sustainable

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lifestyle that's a sad piece of the

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puzzle and an important piece as well

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but I mean like any topic that involves

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a lot of money being made at the expense

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of things that are far more important

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propaganda out there about how that bad

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things really are I mean corporations

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and lobbyists or misleading US

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governments misleading us so it's hard

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to know to what extent this problem how

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far it goes but if you can give us a

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better understanding of the general

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health of the planet I mean is Earth

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that because we're driving to an roughly

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200 species a day to extinction that

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that's going to have some consequences

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that we are as near as I can tell

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destroying every aspect of the living

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planet that we need to survive in and so

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it's no surprise to at some point the

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species we take into the abyss is us so

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we're following the air and dirtying the

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water and watching the soils into the

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world's oceans at an astonishing rate

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that's gonna catch up with you at some

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point and and I think we see plenty of

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evidence that the catching up is

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underway for example and it's just one

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example but on the climate change front

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we're seeing events play out in real

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time that previously have happened at a

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geological time scale we've triggered 30

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self-reinforcing feedback loops right

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including firing the plethoric gun or

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the methane bomb in the Arctic and and

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it doesn't in there by any means

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industrial civilization apparently

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forces us to go into human population

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overshoot deeper everyday by adding more

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than two hundred thousand people to the

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planet that's first- deaths and by

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polluting the air and the water in in

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destroying the soils and and all those

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things that we do that ultimately lead

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to such wonders as iPods and and

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smartphones and apparently that's a

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trade-off were willing to make and have

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been willing to make for a long time we

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know one thing that I had heard you say

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recently in some of the in the cases of

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pollution which I thought was really

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scary is it takes 40 years for the

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effects to manifest in the environment

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is that true I mean that seems like a

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pretty damning situation because we've

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perpetually damaged it more especially

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in the past 40 years right and so this

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with respect to carbon dioxide emissions

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greenhouse gas emissions the primary one

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of which is carbon dioxide

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it's 40 years between cause and effect

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between emissions and temperature rise

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so the temperature rise we are seeing

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today is a result of emissions from 1974

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and in we've we've emitted more carbon

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dioxide in the last 29 years than in the

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previous 236 years of industrial

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civilization so none of those are baked

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in yet I mean they're baked into the

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cake they're underway but we haven't

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observed the outcome yeah that is

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terrifying so you so you're right that's

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that's horrifying

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it's very damning in that there's

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nothing we can do about it now we can't

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go back and undo those emissions and we

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haven't even begun to see the

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temperature rise that will result from

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those emissions Wow on the plus on the

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plus side from an individual perspective

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and I think this is really important on

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the plus side what that indicates to me

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is that we're not to blame you and I we

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had essentially nothing to do with it

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not only are we born into captivity and

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so we don't even get a choice about when

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and where reward

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what sort of conditions under which were

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born but in 1974 I wasn't even driving

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yet forty years ago I was not driving a

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car certainly was looking forward to

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driving a car I thought that was gonna

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be awesome and also bear in mind that

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that most of us didn't really know

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anything about climate change in 1974 so

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I don't hold you and me responsible

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that's a good point for for actions that

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we took when I was in the early teenager

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yeah well I'm always willing to accept

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an excuse to blame shift but well tell

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me about this this Arctic methane bomb

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you had mentioned I have not heard much

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about that well it was the first

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self-reinforcing feedback loop widely

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reported in the scientific literature in

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the refereed journal literature and

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these these methane hydrates or

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clathrates our lone cages of methane

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and the methane is in cold storage at

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at relatively shallow depths in the

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Arctic Ocean

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and they found a lot of other places too

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there for example defendant in the

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Antarctica relatively showing temps in

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the ocean but these things are just

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sitting out there and have been sitting

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down there for a long time millions of

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years and with as reported in the in the

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journal literature relatively minor

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increases in temperature would cause

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upwards of 16 thousand tons of men of

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methane to be released each year that's

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from the June 2010 issue of geophysical

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research letters well as it turns out we

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haven't experienced a minor increase in

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temperature in the Arctic we've

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experienced a pretty major increase in

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temperature at the Arctic and as a

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consequence those methane clathrates

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having been warmed or not floating up to

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the surface and as they warm even more

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the clathrate of the cage breaks away

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and so the methane is emitted directly

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into the atmosphere how important is

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that

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well methane is in the short-term

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meaning less than 20 years more than a

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hundred times more powerful a greenhouse

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gas than carbon dioxide molecule per

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molecule so it appears that starting in

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2007 there was more than 10 million

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times the amount of energy per year

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necessary to dissociate subsea Arctic

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methane hydrates so starting in 2007 the

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clathrate gun went off and because there

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was a enough energy in the ocean enough

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warming in the ocean to start there's

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clathrates bubbling up even nasa's

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carved project in the summer of 2011 was

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pointing out very large methane plumes

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150 kilometers across in fact

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and and that's that's as of mid July

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2013 mid July of last year so the car

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project had been going on for a while as

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of last summer they documented 150

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kilometer across plumes rising onto the

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Arctic Ocean

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obviously they didn't do that with it

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with a boat right there in the midst of

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it you would have been able to see

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methane as far as you could see in every

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direction but then you would have been

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dead because methane is lethal at those

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concentrations at that proximity so they

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observed this with satellite imagery so

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these plumes have been coming up out of

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the Arctic Ocean and they're large and

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it appears we varied the class we got

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about seven years ago and that's that's

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that's the self-reinforcing feedback

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loop that James Hansen particularly

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worried about in his book storms of my

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grandchildren and so this is a big big

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deal and it's been documented in the

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refereed journal literature for about

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four years now that methane hydrates and

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bubbling out of the Arctic Ocean we've

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had enough energy for seven years to

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cause them to bubble out at an

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accelerating rate instead of one one

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analysis conducted by same karana of

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those methane's

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of the methane plume indicates it has

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gone exponential and as a consequence

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we'll have more than 40 warming on the

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planet by 2030 that's important because

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there have been no humans on the planet

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at 3 and 1/2 C above baseline yeah and

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we're headed for forcing in in an

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exponential polynomial curve fit to the

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data and forecast as his future

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indicates based on that one feedback

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alone we're headed for more than 10 C

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warming by 2040 Wow

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yeah that's also scary and I know you

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said those up to 30 of these different

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feedback loops which just piles on an

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already scary situation but let me ask

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you about some of these specific areas

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of environmental concern and maybe you

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can help shed some light on the damage

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assessment in those areas for me

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let's start with fracking I mean it

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seems pretty obvious to me that the

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majority of people who tend to say it's

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harmless they have some ties to the

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industry almost always people are

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lighting their drinking water on fire

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that seems hard to argue against but how

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much environmental damage is this

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practice really causing it's obviously

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hugely detrimental to water it requires

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a tremendous amount of water to

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implement fracking and the fracking

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itself contributes to water that when it

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comes out of the tab can be lit on fire

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and this is pretty well documented in

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places like Wyoming where they first

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really started getting rolling with this

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hydro fracturing idea and more recently

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in Pennsylvania so I think if you can

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light your water on fire when it comes

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out of the tap that's probably not a

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good thing I wouldn't be drinking that

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water and in fact those people those

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people aren't so there are instead

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shipping in their water trucking it in

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so they have water to drink I'm going to

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get a disaster so now we're burning more

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fossil fuels so you can have to bring

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back the water that was already there

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right and and we need more fossil fuels

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to maintain this than the living

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arrangements always I always have to

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have more more more and so it's clear

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that we're willing to destroy even

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drinking water for ourselves just so we

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can have a little bit more fossil fuels

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at our disposal what do we use it for

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the hauler sells water yeah I mean it

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the whole frakking thing seems like a

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real play of desperation oil companies

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seem to be taking much greater costs and

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risks to keep up with this demand and it

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seems pretty evident that we are

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exhausting the last few options for oil

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extraction doesn't it certainly seems

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that way to me we are going to

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go to those lengths to have a little bit

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more and in the grand scheme of things

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the CEO bubble is a little bit more the

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hydrofracking bubble is a little bit

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more it's a little bump on a curve

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that's going down down way down so if

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we're willing to do that things must be

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pretty dire this is tight oil this is

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the kind of oil that we didn't used to

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have to go after like Macondo in the

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Gulf of Mexico we didn't used to have to

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go seven miles below the ocean surface

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and then another mile deeper below the

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sea floor to get oil that's how

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desperate we are yeah there's been a lot

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of talk and a lot of analysis about the

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Peak Oil situation and what year we'll

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be out and of course there's a lot of

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factors that have been flow so it's

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tough to really know but it does seem

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like it seems like I'll see it in my

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lifetime yeah inconceivable to me that

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we won't see that within the next few

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years I think we're already seeing

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consequences from an economic

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perspective and that's what expensive

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oil does is it's Fross and into the

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gears of Industry and so what that means

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is well we have a Wall Street adviser

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move about three or four weeks ago

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refusing to be identified said that the

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unemployment rate in the United States

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is not six point six percent as is

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officially reported by the Bureau of

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Labor Statistics in fact it's thirty

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seven point two percent well that's

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about 50 50 percent more than added

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depths of the Great Recession yeah

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that's a big big number so you can't

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tell me there's not a lot of people

544
00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:30,480
feeling the impacts already we're well

545
00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:33,030
within the age of contraction economic

546
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:38,220
contraction yes well let's talk about

547
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:40,410
the oceans a little bit more I mean

548
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,530
outside of these huge methane releases

549
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:45,120
there's definitely other concerns I mean

550
00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:47,220
the Gulf oil spill did some damage I

551
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:47,500
don't

552
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:49,990
know if it's still leaking or not but

553
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:52,120
outside of the methane releases what do

554
00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:54,250
you see are some of the biggest oceanic

555
00:24:01,950 --> 00:23:55,420
concerns right now

556
00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:01,960
well ocean acidification is is a huge

557
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:03,990
phenomenon and is massively

558
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:06,310
underreported ocean acidification

559
00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:09,970
results from carbon dioxide being

560
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:12,670
absorbed by the oceans so the oceans are

561
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:14,230
absorbing the carbon dioxide from the

562
00:24:20,610 --> 00:24:18,070
atmosphere and what that means is the

563
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:20,620
it's essentially turning into carbonic

564
00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:22,870
acid carbonic acid so it's becoming

565
00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:27,070
increasingly acidified and so what are

566
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:28,360
the consequences of that well we're

567
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:33,220
already seeing coral reefs die as a

568
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:35,290
result of bleaching acidification

569
00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:38,770
and higher temperatures were seeing the

570
00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:40,540
phytoplankton die and that's been

571
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:43,480
attributed to the acceleration of

572
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:46,330
acidification so where point eight five

573
00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:50,110
degree centigrade above baseline we've

574
00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:53,670
already seen ocean acidification that

575
00:24:59,730 --> 00:24:57,280
has caused half or more of the

576
00:25:03,320 --> 00:24:59,740
phytoplankton to die in the world's

577
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:03,330
oceans within the last few decades well

578
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:06,910
we're headed for three or four sea in

579
00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:09,850
the relatively near future you can only

580
00:25:14,910 --> 00:25:11,980
imagine what the consequences will be

581
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,920
for ocean acidification we're just under

582
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:16,960
400 per million carbon dioxide in the

583
00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:18,850
atmosphere right now and there's no

584
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:20,590
indication that anybody is interested in

585
00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:25,180
stopping and and you know we were 280

586
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:28,120
parts per million at the beginning of

587
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:30,040
the Industrial Revolution when we had

588
00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:32,770
all of the phytoplankton with great

589
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:34,420
abundance of the ocean and therefore a

590
00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:37,990
tremendous number of fish that now it's

591
00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:40,420
almost impossible to define you look

592
00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:42,580
looking Benjamin Franklin's journals

593
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:45,190
from when he floated across the Atlantic

594
00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:48,070
Ocean going to Europe and he describes

595
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:51,040
the fish being so abundant the ocean

596
00:25:56,910 --> 00:25:53,530
fish that they were smacking into the

597
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:56,920
into the ship it you basically couldn't

598
00:26:00,060 --> 00:25:58,330
get away from the damn things they were

599
00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:00,070
an inconvenience

600
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,220
yeah Wow and you know there's a lot of

601
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:05,440
concerns about overfishing to throw that

602
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:07,090
on the pile I mean we I've heard people

603
00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:09,610
say that we'd be almost out of fish by

604
00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:11,950
2025 that's a weird thought I mean

605
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:14,500
combined with the acidification and

606
00:26:19,290 --> 00:26:16,690
everything else we're doing everything

607
00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:19,300
we can to make that just a Dead Pool of

608
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:23,020
nothing right that's right Jeremy

609
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:26,410
Jackson gives a great TED talk on the

610
00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:28,810
dying of the oceans there have been

611
00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:31,960
people people who are not scientists who

612
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:33,880
are just sailing across the oceans where

613
00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:35,410
they've been sailing for their entire

614
00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:38,020
lives they're recording hey the ocean is

615
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:40,180
all but dead I can't find a living thing

616
00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:42,760
in there there's the Pacific Gyre the

617
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:46,060
the Great Pacific Garbage Patch that is

618
00:26:54,150 --> 00:26:50,290
bigger than Texas right there's as you

619
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:54,160
pointed out the Macondo that blew up in

620
00:26:58,590 --> 00:26:56,290
the Gulf that probably will never be

621
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,600
capped there are thousands of other

622
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:01,360
wells that are decomposed and degrading

623
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:03,850
that are allegedly capped but they are

624
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:05,050
not going to last forever

625
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,690
you know we cap them and we walk away

626
00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:09,520
and there's no monitoring system for

627
00:27:16,770 --> 00:27:14,040
those nobody's paying any attention and

628
00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:16,780
the laws of thermodynamics indicate that

629
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:19,390
but things break down and then includes

630
00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:25,000
ramp wells yeah yeah geez man let's talk

631
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:26,470
about Fukushima I mean that's another

632
00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:29,110
huge man-made disaster that and there

633
00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:30,820
seems to be a ton of mainstream

634
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,280
downplaying and censorship on the issue

635
00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:35,440
I mean I've had some people tell me it's

636
00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:37,270
the largest environmental disaster in

637
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:38,380
recorded history

638
00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:40,270
and others have said that anybody who

639
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:42,040
worries about it they just don't

640
00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:44,140
understand how harmless radiation is

641
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:46,060
which sounds ridiculous but again it's

642
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:47,710
tough for an average guy to know I mean

643
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:51,240
how bad is Fukushima and your assessment

644
00:28:00,210 --> 00:27:56,700
Fukushima is really really bad

645
00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:00,220
so I don't I'm not a nuclear engineer

646
00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:02,260
I'm not a nuclear scientist so I'm going

647
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:06,280
to put some other people here MSNBC

648
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,720
tried to try to stifle news anchor sink

649
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,880
ugr and I'm pretty sure I'm not

650
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:13,600
pronouncing

651
00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:16,090
name right and that's been

652
00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:17,980
well-documented nuclear engineer arnie

653
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:18,520
gunderson

654
00:28:22,289 --> 00:28:20,860
pointed out in october 2013 that

655
00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:22,299
governments were withholding the truth

656
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:24,760
about stillbirths deformities and health

657
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:26,950
defects and also were suppressing

658
00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:30,370
studies on deformed animals dr. Timothy

659
00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:31,900
Timothy Musa

660
00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:37,240
a nuclear ecologist gives an overview of

661
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,320
nuclear nightmares in March 2013 he

662
00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:43,120
documents the destruction and demise of

663
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:45,990
animals in the Chernobyl exclusion zone

664
00:28:52,409 --> 00:28:49,570
being as leading up to extirpation

665
00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:52,419
that's local extinction with respect to

666
00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:55,059
Fukushima in early September 2013 he

667
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,580
said given the vast amounts of material

668
00:29:00,659 --> 00:28:58,960
that was released I think there will be

669
00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:00,669
measurable amounts of radioactive cesium

670
00:29:06,029 --> 00:29:03,220
eating West Coast blanketing the west

671
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:06,039
coast for some time to come Christina

672
00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:07,929
can solla indicates that billions of

673
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:09,700
people could die from release of

674
00:29:16,409 --> 00:29:12,700
ionizing radiation just from Fukushima

675
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:16,419
alone billions billions of people that

676
00:29:22,049 --> 00:29:19,630
was in August 2013 September 2013 Yale

677
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:22,059
professor charles perrault concluded

678
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:23,770
that events at Fukushima could lead to

679
00:29:29,130 --> 00:29:27,490
fission of fuel rods in put all of

680
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:29,140
humanity will be threatened for

681
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:32,950
thousands of years October 2013 Canadian

682
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:35,289
scientist David Suzuki most people known

683
00:29:39,299 --> 00:29:37,570
as this voice to the conversation

684
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:39,309
calling Fukushima quote the most

685
00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:42,940
terrifying situation I can imagine it's

686
00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:44,830
already terrifying for the 71 sailors

687
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:46,270
assigned to the USS Ronald Reagan

688
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:49,929
responded to the Fukushima disaster for

689
00:29:55,140 --> 00:29:52,510
four days after the meltdown in March of

690
00:29:57,149 --> 00:29:55,150
2011 they've reported radiation sickness

691
00:29:58,590 --> 00:29:57,159
they're following lawsuit against Temko

692
00:30:00,450 --> 00:29:58,600
at least half of those sailors have

693
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:00,460
contracted some form of cancer these are

694
00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:02,409
very young people in the prime of their

695
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:08,720
37 of them of the 71 who are sick have

696
00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:10,260
already contracted some form of cancer

697
00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:15,900
that says of a few months ago so it's

698
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,590
horrifying it represents a significant

699
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:22,559
threat to human life in the northern

700
00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:27,270
hemisphere for thousands of years to

701
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:28,580
come

702
00:30:35,779 --> 00:30:33,570
yeah I mean it's definitely a depressing

703
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:35,789
thought but I've heard about all the

704
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:37,620
different possible effects being so

705
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:39,570
exponential things people don't even

706
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:41,399
think about you know a bird eats a

707
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,070
radioactive fish and then is [\h__\h] on

708
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:46,440
your car of course it's in the weather

709
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:49,590
but the food supply is is just the real

710
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:52,110
scary thing you know an over radiated

711
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:54,350
fish eats a smaller fish and now it's

712
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,210
compacted and that gets put into our

713
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,720
food supply man it seems like it's

714
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,299
really intervene and almost impossible

715
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,000
to weed out at this point yes it is and

716
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:08,399
it's worse than that it's not just us

717
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:12,179
eating fish it's us eating pretty much

718
00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:16,110
anything if you eat if you drink milk

719
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:18,870
for example where does that milk come

720
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:20,220
from it comes from a cow where does that

721
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:22,500
come from what does it eat it eats the

722
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,570
alfalfa where does the alfalfa come from

723
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:27,840
the alfalfa is grown in a field that was

724
00:31:35,779 --> 00:31:32,039
either directly watered by rain falling

725
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:35,789
out of the sky Fukushima rain or it was

726
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:38,880
irrigated with river water that's

727
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:40,890
contaminated with Fukushima radiation I

728
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:42,870
think you'd be hard-pressed at this

729
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:49,440
point to find any milk in North America

730
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:52,950
that did not have measurable quantities

731
00:31:59,299 --> 00:31:56,970
of ionizing radiation oh my god man

732
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,309
that's that's scary stuff I had milk

733
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,860
before this interview all right and it

734
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:04,799
just goes up the food chain right I mean

735
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,950
yeah the whole thing bio magnifies as it

736
00:32:12,850 --> 00:32:10,799
goes up the food chain so yeah you're

737
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:12,860
drinking milk you're eating eggs

738
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:14,540
it doesn't really matter what you ate

739
00:32:19,870 --> 00:32:17,330
whatever you ate ate something else or

740
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:19,880
drank something else or got the water

741
00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:21,290
from somewhere else and that somewhere

742
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:23,059
else is contaminated with ionizing

743
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:25,610
radiation from Fukushima man so I mean

744
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:27,890
on this subject oh there's no it's great

745
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:29,929
okay yeah that was my question as if

746
00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:31,250
there was gonna be any if there's any

747
00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:34,580
type of supplements or any type of pill

748
00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:36,200
you can take like I've heard about

749
00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:38,900
iodine or something you could take two

750
00:32:45,549 --> 00:32:43,040
off sure you can take potassium iodide

751
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:45,559
and that will reduce the risk of certain

752
00:32:50,909 --> 00:32:50,090
kinds of cancer hmm well but better than

753
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:50,919
nothing I guess

754
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,610
well right and and so you can eat

755
00:33:02,320 --> 00:32:57,200
seaweed for example which is really high

756
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:02,330
in ki and potassium iodine and that will

757
00:33:10,419 --> 00:33:07,960
save your thyroid for for a while Wow

758
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:10,429
but and you have to make sure of course

759
00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:13,370
that the seaweed came out of an area

760
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:15,080
that was not already affected by

761
00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:19,340
Fukushima so great right so you have to

762
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:21,790
go back in and find the old stuff and

763
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:26,380
and all of this indicates to me that

764
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,250
first of all we're in the age of

765
00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:30,320
economic contraction so it becomes

766
00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:32,630
increasingly difficult to deal with

767
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,030
things like Fukushima and to deal with

768
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:37,820
San Onofre the exact same design of

769
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:40,490
nuclear power plant GE designed in

770
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:43,100
Southern California and so when it was

771
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:44,360
closed down in a hurry

772
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,169
it was the the cooling ponds the water

773
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:50,840
in them was held in with plastic and

774
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,070
Broomsticks Wow in in duct tape I did

775
00:33:58,990 --> 00:33:57,200
not know that you know we're in the age

776
00:34:00,940 --> 00:33:59,000
of economic contraction so we just don't

777
00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:00,950
have any money to throw it these big

778
00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:02,390
projects like we did in the age of

779
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:05,630
expansion and so at some point all of

780
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:08,450
the world's 407 nuclear power plants go

781
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:12,320
Fukushima well if they don't if we

782
00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:13,850
maintain this that eliminates with

783
00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:15,560
forever we maintain industrial

784
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:16,790
civilization forever

785
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:18,980
it makes carbon dioxide emissions and

786
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:20,990
methane emissions and all other

787
00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:23,770
greenhouse gas emissions much much worse

788
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:26,300
increasingly worse every year

789
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:28,070
so those are your choices you get to

790
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,570
ratchet up climate change which is going

791
00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:32,720
to kill us in the near future or you get

792
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:34,940
to stop climate change by collapse of

793
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,460
industrial civilization and then we all

794
00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:39,760
get to die for Mayan izing radiation

795
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:43,580
great well I mean yeah if this wasn't

796
00:34:48,130 --> 00:34:46,100
enough let's talk about global warming

797
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:48,140
and some of these extreme weather events

798
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:50,600
that's another area where skeptics will

799
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:52,490
tell you that the only reason hurricanes

800
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:54,409
and tsunamis and these things seem worse

801
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:56,510
these days is because the scope of

802
00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:58,130
recorded history when compared to the

803
00:35:02,350 --> 00:34:59,990
life of the earth is such a small sample

804
00:35:04,090 --> 00:35:02,360
size and this type of cycling might be

805
00:35:05,530 --> 00:35:04,100
pretty average by comparison I mean is

806
00:35:11,170 --> 00:35:05,540
that a valid argument or are these

807
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:11,180
people missing the boat that and that's

808
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:13,910
why climate scientists are so reluctant

809
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:17,870
to attribute any single event no matter

810
00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:20,530
how horrific to climate change

811
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:25,460
mm-hmm so yes that's right however we're

812
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:29,500
seeing an increased an increasingly

813
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:33,850
frequent series of these extreme events

814
00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:36,470
each of those extreme events by the way

815
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:39,590
they contributes to warm climate change

816
00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:42,340
let me give you an example we have a

817
00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:47,000
hurricane say that sweeps up from the

818
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,880
Atlantic and batters the eastern

819
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:52,160
seaboard of the United States but one of

820
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:54,110
the consequences of that battering is

821
00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:56,810
that a bunch of trees die they a bunch

822
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:58,310
of them lose their limbs they fall off

823
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:00,200
and and then a bunch of trees die

824
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:02,300
and so what's consequence of that well

825
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:04,490
said we don't have those trees Western

826
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:06,860
carbon anymore now there are

827
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:09,170
contributors of carbon dioxide to the

828
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:11,360
atmosphere they're not taking co2 up

829
00:36:15,610 --> 00:36:13,970
they're giving it up they aren't

830
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:15,620
sequestering it through photosynthesis

831
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:18,050
they're decomposing instead so every one

832
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:20,750
of those storms contributes to more tree

833
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:23,240
death and therefore acceleration of the

834
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:28,010
cycle but it you know certainly we've

835
00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:32,510
had events like this within Earth's

836
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:34,790
history but here's a couple of things we

837
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:35,850
haven't had

838
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,520
within human history a few examples

839
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:43,200
we're 396 parts per million carbon

840
00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:44,820
dioxide in the atmosphere that's the

841
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:47,790
global average right now 396 purser Ryan

842
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:50,550
that hasn't happened in the last 20

843
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:52,440
million years we've had humans on the

844
00:36:59,180 --> 00:36:55,800
planet for about two million years so

845
00:37:01,940 --> 00:36:59,190
were in uncharted waters here methane

846
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:01,950
levels in the atmosphere at the

847
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:03,030
beginning of the Industrial Revolution

848
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:05,910
were about 700 parts per billion now

849
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:09,000
they're routinely measured at nearly

850
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:11,370
2,000 parts per billion and the average

851
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:13,830
is up over 1,800 parts per billion as

852
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:17,070
two and a half times we ever experienced

853
00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:20,070
in human history before those are just

854
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,340
two just two of the greenhouse gases

855
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:25,920
were emitting the beginning of them

856
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:28,830
toaster revolution the global average

857
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,260
temperature was about a little over 14

858
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:33,780
degrees centigrade now it's at 15

859
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:35,250
degrees centigrade doesn't sound like

860
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:41,870
much but the has pointed out in October

861
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:46,890
1990 by the United Nations one C warming

862
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:50,660
is truly catastrophic it leads to

863
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:53,520
self-reinforcing feedback loops the kind

864
00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:55,470
of which we're seeing now in fact so

865
00:38:04,540 --> 00:37:56,840
we've been warned about this for a while

866
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:07,910
accelerating nonlinear climate change

867
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:11,090
we've had the warnings for a long time

868
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,510
none of this none of information that is

869
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,000
coming out that I'm aware of

870
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:20,960
none of the projections going forward

871
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:23,390
none of this takes into account an

872
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:25,650
excellent paper in climatic change

873
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:29,040
published online in November 2009 by Tim

874
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:31,590
Garrett that points out only complete

875
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:33,090
collapse of the set of living

876
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:35,510
arrangements avoids runaway greenhouse

877
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:38,070
only complete collapse friends Run or

878
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:39,180
greenhouse that was almost five years

879
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:41,490
ago and in the interim we found out

880
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:43,290
about all 30 of those over at forcing

881
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:45,810
feedback loops Wow

882
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:48,750
reported by scientists jeez man let's

883
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,360
just keep piling it on I guess let me

884
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,280
just you about let me ask you about

885
00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:55,200
overpopulation in general because of

886
00:38:59,240 --> 00:38:57,030
course 7 billion people is more than

887
00:39:01,340 --> 00:38:59,250
we've ever known but I've heard a recent

888
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:01,350
statistic that seems kind of hard to

889
00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:02,910
believe but they say that if you took

890
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:04,860
all 7 billion people and grouped them in

891
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:06,750
line with the population density of New

892
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:08,910
York City we would all fit inside the

893
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,470
state of Texas and I'm not sure if

894
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:12,720
that's true but either way I wonder if

895
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,850
we really have too many people or if we

896
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:16,800
just have too many people to keep doing

897
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:17,970
things the way we've been doing them

898
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,480
what do you think yes figure several

899
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:27,420
times and I don't doubt that if we stack

900
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:28,920
all the people like cordwood we can fit

901
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:31,980
them in Texas and really I think that's

902
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:35,280
not a bad idea either four four six

903
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:38,670
point nine billion of them and the rest

904
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:40,350
of us can have the whole planet to play

905
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:44,820
off man yeah yeah

906
00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:49,680
yes it's the issue is not where we can

907
00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:53,340
fit physically it's our footprint yeah

908
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:56,100
so things to keep us alive so people

909
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,930
tell me all the time hey I live in a

910
00:40:01,820 --> 00:39:59,280
city and I live in a really small

911
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:01,830
apartment and I'm a vegetarian so my

912
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:05,790
footprint is really small okay and then

913
00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:07,890
they tell me and you live on 2.7 acres

914
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,180
we can't all go live on 2.7 acres

915
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:14,640
because there's too many of us to live

916
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:16,200
like you do and live on two point seven

917
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:17,550
acres that's why I live in this small

918
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:20,010
apartment okay so let's think about that

919
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:22,950
for a minute what do you eat even if

920
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:25,650
you're vegetarian it requires more than

921
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:30,750
three acres of industrial agriculture to

922
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:34,200
support simply the food you eat more

923
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:35,730
than three acres the way I live

924
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:38,010
takes two point seven acres to feed five

925
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:40,950
people because I practiced high

926
00:40:44,660 --> 00:40:42,690
intensity organic gardening instead of

927
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,670
industrial agriculture industrial

928
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:47,520
agriculture if you eat meat you're up to

929
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,460
at least six acres that it requires you

930
00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:53,280
to support - this is hard to support you

931
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,630
rather and so that means that

932
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:01,359
if you're living in a city on a really

933
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:02,710
small apartment taking public

934
00:41:05,579 --> 00:41:04,180
transportation all the time and eating

935
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:05,589
low on the food chain it still takes

936
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:07,950
three acres to support your lifestyle

937
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:10,960
you can't escape that just because you

938
00:41:14,249 --> 00:41:12,130
live in the city doesn't mean you're not

939
00:41:17,749 --> 00:41:14,259
eating and that you're not consuming the

940
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:17,759
planet to support your way of life

941
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:20,049
that's only for Americans though that

942
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:21,880
three to six acres you live anyplace

943
00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:25,960
else where they don't actually have the

944
00:41:32,279 --> 00:41:29,589
absurdity mastered like we do and it

945
00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:32,289
takes less frequently when I speak on

946
00:41:37,289 --> 00:41:34,900
two high schools or on college campuses

947
00:41:38,819 --> 00:41:37,299
I will have the students calculate their

948
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,829
ecological footprint and there's this

949
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:41,680
there's a simple online calculator that

950
00:41:47,339 --> 00:41:44,710
allows you to do that and now have them

951
00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:47,349
calculated based on how they're living

952
00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:49,660
right now so for Muslim that means

953
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:51,880
grid-tied electricity and a house with

954
00:41:56,579 --> 00:41:54,970
three to six people and they eat a

955
00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:56,589
certain point on the food chain and on

956
00:42:03,209 --> 00:41:59,890
and off and they discover that being an

957
00:42:07,709 --> 00:42:03,219
American requires somewhere between four

958
00:42:10,859 --> 00:42:07,719
and seven Earth's to support 7.1 billion

959
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:10,869
people living like they do and they go

960
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:12,940
wow that's that's horrible that's awful

961
00:42:17,309 --> 00:42:14,680
and then I said and I say well yeah it

962
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:17,319
is but a lot of it is something that you

963
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:19,450
don't have any control over so as an

964
00:42:24,299 --> 00:42:21,910
example let's have you calculate your

965
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:24,309
age ecological footprint again and do

966
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:26,049
the exact same way give all the same

967
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,880
answers except change the country you're

968
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:29,099
from

969
00:42:35,249 --> 00:42:32,529
just pick a country any country and so

970
00:42:37,469 --> 00:42:35,259
some pick some pick Kenyan some pick

971
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:37,479
dust row yeah most of them countries

972
00:42:41,249 --> 00:42:39,609
that are not that dissimilar from ours

973
00:42:43,709 --> 00:42:41,259
and that they're westernized to

974
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:43,719
industrialized countries and what they

975
00:42:49,469 --> 00:42:46,900
find is that whereas it required say

976
00:42:50,789 --> 00:42:49,479
five earths to support their lifestyle

977
00:42:55,769 --> 00:42:50,799
lived in the United States and all it

978
00:42:58,499 --> 00:42:55,779
takes to if they're living in France

979
00:43:00,569 --> 00:42:58,509
it only takes point nine if they're

980
00:43:02,759 --> 00:43:00,579
living in Kenya and they're really

981
00:43:04,499 --> 00:43:02,769
confused about that right how can that

982
00:43:07,529 --> 00:43:04,509
be they're living the exact same way and

983
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:07,539
I say okay how could that be and we have

984
00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:11,349
a long discussion and finally we trip on

985
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:12,190
to it

986
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:13,569
few things that are different here in

987
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:15,490
America than they are other places in

988
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:18,310
the world for one thing anytime you go

989
00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:21,490
into a business in this country any

990
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:24,760
business at all the temperature is set

991
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:28,480
at the same level year round day and

992
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,079
night you don't get that in South Africa

993
00:43:35,849 --> 00:43:34,480
you go to a store in South Africa it's

994
00:43:37,099 --> 00:43:35,859
the same temperature inside as it is

995
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:37,109
outside

996
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:43,000
in addition who has the most lethal

997
00:43:48,569 --> 00:43:44,890
killing force in the history of humanity

998
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:48,579
yep that's right that's off and I didn't

999
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:51,220
vote for that no and nobody in the room

1000
00:43:58,109 --> 00:43:53,400
voted for that but that's what we got

1001
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,119
that takes a tremendous toll on your

1002
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:00,640
ecological footprint footprint no you

1003
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:03,700
didn't vote for that but you got it

1004
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:08,710
anyway and it isn't it isn't cheap to

1005
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:10,230
maintain the military-industrial complex

1006
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:13,630
and even if you didn't vote for it you

1007
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:15,369
got it and so that's part of your

1008
00:44:22,109 --> 00:44:16,990
ecological footprint living here in this

1009
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:22,119
country right yeah and so so there again

1010
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:26,730
for me there again for me this point to

1011
00:44:35,099 --> 00:44:30,420
a whole bunch of this is not our fault

1012
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:35,109
how much this is is not the fault of you

1013
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:40,440
and me and in that the person living in

1014
00:44:45,809 --> 00:44:44,050
Bismarck North Dakota who makes an

1015
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:45,819
honest effort to take the bicycle to

1016
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:48,060
work and all those kinds of things right

1017
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:50,470
we don't have any control over what the

1018
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:51,790
military is doing and it gets worse

1019
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:53,800
every day we don't have any control over

1020
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:56,140
what Congress is spending our money we

1021
00:45:02,220 --> 00:44:58,150
don't have any control over so many

1022
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:02,230
aspects of this age of Industry they're

1023
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,089
going on without it they'll continue to

1024
00:45:09,569 --> 00:45:07,119
go on without us we don't have a great

1025
00:45:11,309 --> 00:45:09,579
deal of control over any of that even if

1026
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:11,319
we wanted to and I suspect most people

1027
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:14,260
are not willing to go the Tim Garrett

1028
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,380
route in climatic change in vote for

1029
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:18,640
complete collapse of industrial

1030
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:23,740
civilization yeah it's a it's a weird

1031
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,960
thing but I think since the Occupy

1032
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:28,720
meant there's been a little more talk

1033
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:31,050
about smaller communities

1034
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:33,400
self-sustaining off-the-grid type living

1035
00:45:40,859 --> 00:45:36,520
I think that getting back to the land is

1036
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:40,869
making a big comeback these days I think

1037
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:45,250
it is - and I'm a huge fan and I think

1038
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:47,470
it's too late even if we all go back to

1039
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:51,900
land I think it's too late to undo those

1040
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:54,670
self-reinforcing feedback loops 28 of

1041
00:46:03,329 --> 00:46:00,880
those 28 of the 30 hour irreversible and

1042
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:03,339
temporal spans relevant to the human

1043
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:03,849
condition

1044
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:09,670
so it's it's not something again that we

1045
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:12,790
have much control over at this point

1046
00:46:17,849 --> 00:46:15,190
when you kick a soccer ball on a soccer

1047
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:17,859
field the friction from the grass slows

1048
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:20,440
it down pretty quickly so it stops but

1049
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:22,150
if you can't go soccer ball over a cliff

1050
00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:25,240
it doesn't stop right and that's what

1051
00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:26,500
we've done with respect to these

1052
00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:29,560
self-reinforcing feedback loops man so I

1053
00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:32,740
I guess let's talk about maybe something

1054
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:34,300
we can do I mean I think it bothers

1055
00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:36,010
people being left without hope but then

1056
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:38,109
again I mean is it better for a guy in

1057
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,609
Guantanamo Bay to think he's getting out

1058
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:41,440
tomorrow and we all know he isn't you

1059
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:43,210
know what I mean but I guess if you were

1060
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:45,310
given a blank slate and someone said to

1061
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,190
you guy we got 7 billion people we have

1062
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:49,839
the technologies and the resources we

1063
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:51,640
have right now help us out I mean is

1064
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:53,770
there any way that you could see making

1065
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:55,690
this work for everybody without

1066
00:47:03,329 --> 00:46:58,810
sacrificing the future well I think a

1067
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:03,339
primary response if I were king for a

1068
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:09,130
day I would first and foremost shut down

1069
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:11,050
every nuclear power plant in the world

1070
00:47:16,829 --> 00:47:12,660
as quickly as possible

1071
00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:16,839
those are ticking time bombs and keep

1072
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:23,080
going off and we if we have if we have

1073
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:26,170
anything we can do it at all one of the

1074
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:27,820
things that we could be doing is

1075
00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:29,859
shutting down those nuclear power plants

1076
00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:32,080
and that might mean that people are

1077
00:47:37,890 --> 00:47:35,020
without electricity for a while and that

1078
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:37,900
doesn't bother me at all you know right

1079
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:39,010
we live for two

1080
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:41,560
years without electricity there's still

1081
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:43,510
a lot of people on the planet who live

1082
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:45,910
without electricity and couldn't care

1083
00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:48,250
less I think it's a luxury to have

1084
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:50,500
electricity for a few hours a day I

1085
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:54,660
think that's amazing and in in my youth

1086
00:47:59,010 --> 00:47:57,490
in the small backwoods redneck logging

1087
00:48:04,050 --> 00:47:59,020
town where I grew up in northern I don't

1088
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:04,060
know the power would go out and it

1089
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:06,280
wasn't a big deal the power would just

1090
00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:08,890
go out and it would it would come back

1091
00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:13,180
on my hair and almost nobody died within

1092
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:15,400
20 minutes of the power going out you

1093
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:17,530
know it just wasn't that big a deal I'm

1094
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:20,280
pretty sure we could get along that way

1095
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:25,270
right now without much hardship but most

1096
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:28,030
people I know think it's I think it

1097
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:30,280
really instead of being life liberty and

1098
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,900
the pursuit of happiness it was life

1099
00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:33,280
liberty and the pursuit riptide

1100
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:36,940
electricity right that's not what it

1101
00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:40,000
says let's not assume that we're so

1102
00:48:44,730 --> 00:48:42,100
entitled that every time we flip a

1103
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:44,740
switch a light has to come along mm-hmm

1104
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:46,330
and so the first thing I would do

1105
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:48,790
finally to answer your question is shut

1106
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:50,140
down every nuclear power plant in the

1107
00:49:00,600 --> 00:48:57,490
world there's more I would love to take

1108
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:00,610
some action that involves carbon

1109
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,230
sequestration and you're not thinking

1110
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:04,960
about geoengineering proposals that have

1111
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:05,620
been floated

1112
00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:07,930
I'm thinking about people actually doing

1113
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:09,820
permaculture and living differently than

1114
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:11,590
we're living today I'm not under any

1115
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:15,790
delusion that that will save us but I

1116
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:17,830
think it will get people closer to the

1117
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:22,030
planet upon which they depend and it

1118
00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:25,510
might even make them more content human

1119
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:30,070
beings as a result so I would like to

1120
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:31,510
see people better connected to the

1121
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:33,430
planet they live on better connected to

1122
00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:34,780
the human communities that they're a

1123
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:35,500
part of

1124
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:39,130
and stop treating the living planet as

1125
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:43,630
if it is ours to exploit those are a few

1126
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:45,870
of the things I'd like to see done yeah

1127
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:48,310
yeah those it'd be definitely great

1128
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:49,750
steps in the right direction I mean

1129
00:49:52,349 --> 00:49:51,310
obviously a lot of us are addicted to

1130
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,359
those

1131
00:49:56,819 --> 00:49:54,720
modern conveniences in the 24-hour

1132
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:56,829
electricity and Wi-Fi that's a big

1133
00:50:01,710 --> 00:49:59,380
problem but there are people like Jacque

1134
00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:01,720
fresco and Peter Joseph who are kind of

1135
00:50:05,279 --> 00:50:03,160
out on the fringe but they say that

1136
00:50:08,759 --> 00:50:05,289
there are technologies we could switch

1137
00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:08,769
over to like solar wind tidal xgo

1138
00:50:14,579 --> 00:50:11,319
thermal etc that if we fully realized

1139
00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:14,589
those potentials these people think they

1140
00:50:19,289 --> 00:50:16,660
would sustain us on the planet without

1141
00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:19,299
really impacting our energy needs is

1142
00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:20,859
that possible or is that too far-fetched

1143
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:23,380
in your assessment I used to think that

1144
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:25,150
was right and I even wrote a book about

1145
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:28,089
it proclaiming the glories of renewable

1146
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:30,460
energy that book was published in 2004

1147
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:34,559
and subsequently come to my senses and

1148
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:38,680
realized that there are no renewables

1149
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:40,900
there are no replacements there are

1150
00:50:46,349 --> 00:50:43,569
derivatives of the current fossil fuels

1151
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:46,359
so it takes a lot of oil as one example

1152
00:50:52,769 --> 00:50:48,970
to build a solar panel it takes a lot of

1153
00:50:54,479 --> 00:50:52,779
oil and other fossil fuels to build wind

1154
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:54,489
turbines and to distribute them all over

1155
00:51:00,299 --> 00:50:57,460
the country it takes a lot of oil to tap

1156
00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:00,309
into geothermal resources and then we

1157
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,920
build the electrical grid alright so now

1158
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,480
we have the grid what does that take it

1159
00:51:09,509 --> 00:51:06,880
takes a tremendous amount of liquid

1160
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:09,519
fuels to maintain it because every time

1161
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,470
we have a nice storm or every time the

1162
00:51:15,529 --> 00:51:13,839
wind blows or every time it gets too hot

1163
00:51:17,759 --> 00:51:15,539
or too cold or too wet or too dry

1164
00:51:19,799 --> 00:51:17,769
there's some sort of maintenance that

1165
00:51:22,789 --> 00:51:19,809
needs to be done on the grid and that

1166
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:22,799
all requires liquid fuels at this point

1167
00:51:31,229 --> 00:51:28,630
so I don't see a way out of the monkey

1168
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:31,239
trap we've cut ourselves in a monkey

1169
00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:36,880
trap and I don't see any way out and

1170
00:51:42,479 --> 00:51:40,420
anything resembling a temporal span that

1171
00:51:46,410 --> 00:51:42,489
catches up with those self-reinforcing

1172
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:46,420
feedback loops interesting depressing

1173
00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:49,089
but fair I mean these are scary times

1174
00:51:52,589 --> 00:51:50,920
man I like you mentioned not only do we

1175
00:51:54,569 --> 00:51:52,599
have all these environmental concerns

1176
00:51:56,819 --> 00:51:54,579
but the global economy seems to be on

1177
00:51:59,579 --> 00:51:56,829
pretty shaky ground lots of people are

1178
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,589
paralyzed by debt unemployment is way

1179
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:02,079
too high corporations are posting

1180
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:03,849
hundreds of millions of dollars in

1181
00:52:06,769 --> 00:52:05,130
profit

1182
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,779
they're paying their employees minimums

1183
00:52:11,319 --> 00:52:08,940
are keeping them off a full-time when

1184
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:11,329
you factor in these concerns with the

1185
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:14,130
environmental situation it's really hard

1186
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:16,430
to be optimistic about anything

1187
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:22,970
well yes except except we have this we

1188
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,859
you and I and everybody listening to

1189
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:28,380
this program we have a tremendous

1190
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:31,500
advantage that almost nobody and nothing

1191
00:52:36,769 --> 00:52:32,670
in the history of the planet has ever

1192
00:52:38,779 --> 00:52:36,779
had we get to die and that makes us the

1193
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:38,789
lucky ones because it means we get to

1194
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:42,839
live we get to live here now at the most

1195
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:47,220
amazing time in history we get to see

1196
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,490
the end we can just see the end of

1197
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,339
industrial civilization and therefore a

1198
00:52:57,380 --> 00:52:55,740
comeback by the Living Planet unlike

1199
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,390
anything we've ever seen before the

1200
00:53:02,269 --> 00:53:00,240
alleviation of oppression will be

1201
00:53:04,759 --> 00:53:02,279
astonishing not only that we get to see

1202
00:53:06,499 --> 00:53:04,769
the end where I can't imagine a

1203
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:06,509
situation in which we're not among the

1204
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:10,440
last humans on the planet and Wow

1205
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,180
we get to live the odds against D and we

1206
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:17,400
know a lot about DNA we've been studying

1207
00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:19,710
it for a long time and we know the odds

1208
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:22,349
against any collection of DNA forming

1209
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:25,170
human beings me and you the odds against

1210
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:29,160
any of us being here ever exceed the

1211
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:31,470
odds against plucking a single atom from

1212
00:53:36,799 --> 00:53:34,250
ran at random from the entire universe

1213
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:36,809
we know that there's between 10 to the

1214
00:53:42,049 --> 00:53:39,059
80th and 10 to the hundredth atoms in

1215
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:42,059
the entire universe the odds against

1216
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:44,730
plucking a single atom at random are far

1217
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:47,970
greater than the odds of DNA coming

1218
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,700
together in this form I think that's

1219
00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:51,680
pretty incredible

1220
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:54,630
so let's live as if our lives matter

1221
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:56,609
let's pursue lives of excellence let's

1222
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:59,130
treat people as if they're decent and

1223
00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:01,319
treat them humanely and act with

1224
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:03,180
kindness and compassion and do all those

1225
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:06,210
things that we that we say humans are

1226
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:09,420
are great because they do let's do all

1227
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:10,890
those things instead of rubbing for

1228
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:13,529
another dime instead of instead of

1229
00:54:18,210 --> 00:54:16,470
buying 15 pairs of shoes just because we

1230
00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:18,220
can because we have the world's reserve

1231
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:20,260
currency let's let's do all those things

1232
00:54:26,849 --> 00:54:24,010
that make up life better for humans and

1233
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,859
other organisms and the time we have

1234
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:29,200
left because even if we live to a very

1235
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:30,910
old age the time we have left is not

1236
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:34,480
very long I don't find many hundred year

1237
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,700
old saying yet I had a good run I'm

1238
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:39,280
ready to die now III think everybody

1239
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:40,930
remembers a few things we have a few

1240
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,500
memories we take with us into the grave

1241
00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:46,720
we remember those moments doing bad

1242
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:48,820
otherwise but there are they're

1243
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:51,430
relatively few of them well then people

1244
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:52,900
will remember even if they lived to a

1245
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:55,270
very old age so let's try to create

1246
00:55:00,720 --> 00:54:57,220
those moments let's try to create those

1247
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:00,730
moments of beauty and compassion in and

1248
00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:03,940
and human greatness relay where we

1249
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:07,240
actually exhibit our humanity in a

1250
00:55:14,849 --> 00:55:11,200
manner that is positive that that looks

1251
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:14,859
good for us and for those were

1252
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:19,210
interacting with well said I mean and in

1253
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:21,640
that thread to try to be positive and

1254
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:24,089
give the people just a little direction

1255
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:26,410
let's assume you know we are going to

1256
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:27,970
face extreme weather an economic

1257
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:29,950
collapse and the decline of excess and

1258
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:32,740
our cushy American lives I mean how

1259
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:33,970
would you advise the people on a

1260
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:35,790
personal level I mean are there places

1261
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:39,609
to go on the planet or steps to take to

1262
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:41,830
increase those positive moments and be

1263
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:44,920
less impacted by the decline of

1264
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,970
everything if your goal is to extend

1265
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:00,160
your life and the lives of your family

1266
00:56:04,589 --> 00:56:02,230
members for as long as possible then I

1267
00:56:08,339 --> 00:56:04,599
think among the last place is to have

1268
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:08,349
habitat for humans on this earth will be

1269
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:11,020
south way south places that are

1270
00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:13,510
surrounded by a lot of water that are a

1271
00:56:20,359 --> 00:56:16,320
long way from nuclear power plants that

1272
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:20,369
are the southern tip of Chile in

1273
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:24,400
southern Australia and New Zealand and

1274
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:27,330
southern South Africa places like that

1275
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:30,520
but even then I'm guessing you don't by

1276
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,500
yourself

1277
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:35,920
a very long time so maybe we should take

1278
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:38,590
a little advice from Nietzsche here live

1279
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:43,180
as though the day we're here to to to

1280
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:45,190
live as if we matter and so did the

1281
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:48,790
people around us yeah that's a fair

1282
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:50,680
point I mean it's kind of like a bubble

1283
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:52,900
boy conundrum you can protect yourself

1284
00:56:59,850 --> 00:56:55,810
from everything but at the cost of

1285
00:57:02,250 --> 00:56:59,860
enjoying anything you know yes yes I

1286
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:02,260
suspect that's exactly right we can

1287
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,410
extend our own run as individuals for a

1288
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:07,920
little bit but certainly not forever

1289
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:10,900
nobody gets out alive right right

1290
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:14,650
and so what does it mean what does it

1291
00:57:22,590 --> 00:57:18,940
mean to live well those those are the

1292
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:22,600
kinds of questions that I'm interested

1293
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:24,520
in pursuing at this point right like how

1294
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:25,990
long do you want to live in the zombie

1295
00:57:31,860 --> 00:57:28,680
apocalypse isn't it easier to just go

1296
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:31,870
bingo I mean I'd like to see the zombie

1297
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:35,650
apocalypse obviously it's such exciting

1298
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,670
stuff when you see it in the movies no

1299
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,440
but but of it I'm not sure I want to be

1300
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:42,880
around for the end of these zombie

1301
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:44,910
apocalypse I'm not sure I turn into all

1302
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:49,090
exactly man well that is pretty much

1303
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:51,610
enough positivity for me for one day I

1304
00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:54,010
feel like we should all go watch Shrek

1305
00:57:58,110 --> 00:57:55,960
or up or some kind of over-the-top

1306
00:58:00,000 --> 00:57:58,120
feel-good movie now to bring us back out

1307
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:00,010
of the gutter but hey in some weird way

1308
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,290
it was still a pleasure well I

1309
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,200
appreciate the and people ask me all the

1310
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:07,140
time why I do this why I do what I do

1311
00:58:11,580 --> 00:58:09,310
part of it is that I think people have

1312
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:11,590
the right to know yeah what the science

1313
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:14,410
is saying about our future and another

1314
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:16,270
party is I'm really trying to encourage

1315
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:21,130
people to to pursue this information

1316
00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:25,150
with vigor if this is the end if you

1317
00:58:28,770 --> 00:58:27,160
realize you don't have much time left

1318
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:28,780
and I would argue that's always been

1319
00:58:34,290 --> 00:58:32,230
true if that's the case if you if you

1320
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:34,300
accept this information if you take it

1321
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:36,310
in and internalize it what does it mean

1322
00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:38,680
I suspect it means you're not living in

1323
00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:39,820
a cube farm anymore

1324
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:41,620
that you're not going to work to a job

1325
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:46,360
you hate and in saving or a future that

1326
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:49,660
never comes mm-hmm either because we're

1327
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,250
in the age of contraction so your

1328
00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:52,720
retirement is going to be taken away

1329
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:55,540
from you or because of climate change or

1330
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:57,370
ionizing radiation shortening your life

1331
00:59:01,380 --> 00:58:59,290
more than here or imagine possible

1332
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:01,390
so I think this is incredibly liberating

1333
00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:03,010
and I've heard many people tell me the

1334
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:04,270
same thing it's incredibly liberating

1335
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:06,940
now I can do the things I've really

1336
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:08,980
wanted to do but culture was screaming

1337
00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:12,490
at me to not do that yes 100% agree I

1338
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:15,100
I'm actually thirty days out of my

1339
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:17,770
nine-to-five job and it all just kind of

1340
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:20,050
came from this material I thought you

1341
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,520
know if the economy does collapse

1342
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:23,440
tomorrow I'm gonna feel really silly

1343
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:25,720
going to a nine-to-five job I hate for

1344
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:28,690
the past two decades yes

1345
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:31,330
so I'm with you on that I think that's a

1346
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:33,550
pretty that's the most positive message

1347
00:59:36,570 --> 00:59:34,870
anyone could gain out of this if you

1348
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don't have a lot of time make the best

1349
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of it start worrying about exactly how

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many seconds you can squeeze out of life

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on the planet but hey I very much

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respect your analysis and thank you for

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sharing everything you have with this

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man would you like to tell the people

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about your website or where they can

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keep up with you before we let you go

1357
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:54,550
sure I suspect if you put nature bats

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00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:57,970
last into your favorite internet search

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01:00:02,250 --> 00:59:59,290
engine it'll take you right to my

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01:00:04,830 --> 01:00:02,260
website it's a guy members follow all my

1361
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:04,840
work there that leads to all the essays

1362
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I'm writing for other websites as well

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01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:09,510
any time somebody shoots video when I'm

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01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:12,040
when I'm speaking it appears there as

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01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:16,030
well very cool all right well thanks

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again guy I mean do what you can to

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enjoy the rest of your day all right man

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thank you take care there it is guys I

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:27,700
hope the audio issues weren't too

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distracting I think I do a lot of things

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01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:31,600
well but I don't have an audio guy and

1372
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:33,460
I'm deaf in one year so I do the best I

1373
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:36,010
can until I find my Brian Redman but

1374
01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:37,480
it's always getting better and I think

1375
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it has to if we're gonna be going for

1376
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the gold that said guy McPherson Jesus I

1377
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:44,800
know it's a bit overwhelming but instead

1378
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of tuning that out or channeling it into

1379
01:00:51,930 --> 01:00:49,690
an angry comment to me about how

1380
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:51,940
depressing it is channel it into an

1381
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:54,220
angry tweet to Exxon Mobil or take a

1382
01:00:58,860 --> 01:00:56,650
second to publicly shame Walmart I mean

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01:00:59,610 --> 01:00:58,870
they make over 300 billion dollars a

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year

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forcing the price is so low that only

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companies that use the cheapest labor

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and materials on earth can be a player

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in their 300 billion dollar marketplace

1389
01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:10,870
which I might also note is three times

1390
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the amount it would take to end poverty

1391
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:15,760
in America if we could somehow spend

1392
01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:18,130
just 1/3 less on [\h__\h] at Walmart and

1393
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:20,440
give that directly to our poor no more

1394
01:01:25,170 --> 01:01:23,410
poverty so [\h__\h] Walmart either way the

1395
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:25,180
power lies only with the people and we

1396
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:26,740
have to start applying some pressure and

1397
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:28,810
have fun with it it's fun to publicly

1398
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:31,000
shame a corporation on Twitter it feels

1399
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:33,190
a little dangerous tagging me in those

1400
01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:34,780
tweets and I'll broadcast them to the

1401
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:36,820
40,000 people gracious enough to follow

1402
01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:39,870
us on Twitter and we'll all have a nice

1403
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:42,520
comforting circle-jerk

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:45,310
I love you guys you're making my dream

1405
01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:46,810
come true and I think we're making

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01:01:50,310 --> 01:01:48,550
progress in this [\h__\h] up world

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01:01:50,850 --> 01:01:50,320
tomorrow I might feel like we're all

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01:01:53,490 --> 01:01:50,860
[\h__\h]

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01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:53,500
but right now progress that's what I

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01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:56,500
feel now I was editing this episode and

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01:02:01,230 --> 01:01:58,930
reflecting on the implications of its

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information in this song no children by

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01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:03,160
the mountain goats pops up on my iTunes

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01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:04,810
and if you don't know it it's the most

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01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:07,630
angry and depressing but truthful and

1416
01:02:12,330 --> 01:02:09,940
honest breakup song that I know of and

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01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:12,340
as I was thinking about all the lyrics

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as a symbolic message to the earth and

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01:02:19,590 --> 01:02:17,830
nature and our own humanity I thought it

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01:02:21,810 --> 01:02:19,600
really clicked so I'll leave you with it

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:21,820
if we collectively wrote a song that

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01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:23,530
captured the message we're giving to the

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01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:25,990
natural world with our own actions until

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01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:28,330
we make some radical changes it would

1425
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:31,060
probably sound a lot like this for

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01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:33,340
better or worse donate to the money bomb

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01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:36,790
share the show where you can you are the

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01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:38,440
water that helps this little THC